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Care-i mai bun? Socialismul sau capitalismul?

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Re: Care-i mai bun? Socialismul sau capitalismul?

Mesajde Isostar » 21 Noi 2016, 10:01

Ca tot a adus Sorro aminte despre topicul asta, un articol aparut astazi. Un american, crescut ca democrat, care a votat cu Trump si care isi expune parerea din interiorul sistemul norvegian (sistem socialist?!?)
Articolul complet aici. Mai jos, doar inceputul:

Social Democracy Reality Check

Living in Scandinavia has been like stepping into a time machine, peering into the future. We can see what happens when the American Progressive values are allowed to take hold and run unopposed for two generations. Safe spaces morphed into nap rooms at the office. Participation awards evolved into Jenteloven where everyone strives to be mediocre. Lazy is cool and ambition, equating to greed, is sacrilege. Political correctness is the new religion and indirect communication rules. Creating confusion and condoning irresponsible behavior is the norm.

In the USSR people were not paid well but allowed to steal based on rank. If you worked in the match factory as a laborer, you were “allowed to steal” a few books of matches every week, trading with your friends who worked at the vodka or cigarette factory. If you were middle management, you could steal cases of matches and resell them on the black market. Executives were allowed to steal directly from the cash accounts, affording themselves lavish accommodation and a car. Hence, communism was anything but equal.

In social democratic countries, instead of stealing from the assembly line, they steal time. Despite having the world’s greatest “Obama Care,” access to sports, healthiest food, cleanest air and water, and shortest working hours per year of any nation, we see a lot of illness. An entry level employee can call in sick 2-3 days at a time unnoticed. Illnesses on Fridays and sunny days are not uncommon.

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Two generations of progressive aspirations, known here as social democracy, turned people from curious and ingenious to complacent and fearful of change. Socialism distorts people’s view of profits and productivity. To them scamming when no one is looking is fair and working hard and saving money is selfish and greedy.

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The social democratic system is nothing to look up to: This is now especially true with the dim oil outlook. Most of the programs are funded by tax revenue collected from oil jobs and the subsequent consumption. The government turned people from Vikings, fighting and competing for survival, to those living off lottery winnings: out of touch with the realities of life and doomed to failure in a generation.


si concluzia:

Voted against turning America into Europe: an outright rejection of socialism. I live it every day. Socialism works in the Nordics, due to small and compliant populations, but will never in America.
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Re: Care-i mai bun? Socialismul sau capitalismul?

Mesajde Isostar » 25 Ian 2017, 11:22

Capitalismul nemtesc, sau cum greselile socialismului sunt ignorate de catre elita cand vor sa-si pastreze scaunul :

It seems that all ideas suspected of being "populist" -- or simply those ideas without the blessing of the elites -- will now be banned in Germany. This restriction applies to criticism of the government (especially regarding immigration and energy policies), of the EU, of Islam, of government officials and of the media.

As in communist dictatorships, the more obvious the failings of the government, the more aggressively the establishment attacks those who speak out about them.


The Federal Agency for Political Education -- the information agency of the Interior Ministry – is quite open about it: "Anti-elitism", "anti-intellectualism", "anti-politics" and "hostility toward institutions" are the "key characteristics of populism".
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Re: Care-i mai bun? Socialismul sau capitalismul?

Mesajde Gator » 26 Ian 2017, 00:34

Isostar scrie:Ca tot a adus Sorro aminte despre topicul asta, un articol aparut astazi. Un american, crescut ca democrat, care a votat cu Trump si care isi expune parerea din interiorul sistemul norvegian (sistem socialist?!?)
Articolul complet aici. Mai jos, doar inceputul:


Place ce scrie, pina punctul in care a pus placa cu Soro's (sic!) - hoax alert!!!
Cica era proud pe vremea lu Reagan. Dupa ceva math, omu avea max 20 de ani cind Reagan a terminat mandatele - putin probabil ca stia mare lucru. Dealtfel, Reagan a pornit globalizarea, a deschis piatza Americana produselor straine (dumpingul japonez e faimos). Dupa el a disparut industria de electronice, de otzel, de masini unelte.
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Re: Care-i mai bun? Socialismul sau capitalismul?

Mesajde Isostar » 08 Feb 2017, 14:47

Inca una pe subiect:

Expropriation And Impoverishment: "Capitalist" Greece & "Socialist" Venezuela

There are two real-time examples of these dynamics we can profitably study: "capitalist" Greece and "socialist" Venezuela. Both nations have impoverished their citizenry to preserve an oligarchy and its cronies.

I hope it won't be too great a shock that crony-capitalism and crony-socialism function in much the same fashion and generate the same result: the wealth of the nation is funneled (or expropriated) into the ruling Elites, impoverishing the non-elites.
The mechanisms differ in appearance but they produce the same results: expropriation and impoverishment. In Greece, two Ruling Elites stripmined the nation: the big European banks and the domestic oligarchs and their functionaries in the state.

The "crony-socialist" model is to centrally manage the economy to benefit the oligarchy and its cronies--a fatal mismanagement of the nation's productive resources that exploits and stripmines the non-Elites. Venezuela is imploding not because of hyper-inflation, but as a result of policies that led to hyper-inflation: policies that generate perverse incentives while protecting the Elites, disincentives to produce goods and services and incentives to depend on government subsidies.

Articol complet aici.
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Re: Care-i mai bun? Socialismul sau capitalismul?

Mesajde Isostar » 06 Sep 2017, 08:11

Sa aducem subiectul acesta inapoi in actualitate. Chiar daca Nea Bernie este momentan in hiberbare, progresisti nu renunta. Si normal ca asta se poate intampla doar intr-o tara socialista, nu?!?


Forget social security, medicaid and WIC, today's progressives have moved well beyond discussing such entitlement relics of the past and nowadays dedicate their efforts to the concept of a "Universal Basic Income" for all...call it the New 'New Deal'. You know, because having to work for that "car in every garage and chicken in every pot" is just considered cruel and unusual punishment by today's standards.


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Re: Care-i mai bun? Socialismul sau capitalismul?

Mesajde capsunar » 06 Sep 2017, 09:20

Intre timp pana in 2020 robotii o sa ia cca 5 milioane de joburi. Apar cateva mici probleme:
- robotii nu platesc 50% taxe ca angajatii ( impozit pe venit + tva/sale tax la consum ) , iar firma plateste doar 15-35% si dupa trump 15%.
- nu prea o sa mai existe suficiente joburi necalificate, oricum o intoarcem cca 50% din popor are un IQ sub mediu.
- oameniii astia care fac foamea nu o sa voteze cu liberalii, prn urmare o sa-si pierda unii scaunele, ba poate se pune de o revolutie.
- impozitul colectat deci si resursele pt universal income se diminueaza substantial.

Universal basic income apare ca un band aid pt nomenclatura care vrea sa-si pastreze scaunul fara dar nu rezolva cauzele.
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